Hard Things to Hear #6: Lady, It’s Not About You!

(This is the sixth of a seven-part series; here are the links to part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5, and part 7.)

In John 6:60, some objected to what Jesus was saying: “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”. While I’m not Jesus, there are some who will attest that I provoke the same reaction. Might be what I’m saying, but it’s possible it might be my manner. Be that as it may, I’m going to pull rank and lay some things on the line in the next few posts. I’m going to present some things that might be hard to hear, but trust me; forty-three years of marriage is coming at ya!

Last week, I laid into clueless, selfish husbands who refused to learn how to be lovers to their wives. I have read so many anti-testimonies from wives whose husbands have been clueless gits and treated sex as if it was simply a guy thing. You don’t know how good it felt to say some of the things I said in my last post. Unfortunately, too many guys get their ideas about sex from other bell-ends like themselves, and so know nothing about their obligations in marriage.

“Is There Not A Clue”?

So, for this post, I turn my focus on wives. I’m going to be as charitable toward wives as I was to the husbands, and assume that most wives are not intentionally mean and cruel, but are, like the husbands I chewed out last post, merely clueless. Clueless? About what?

About just how important sex is to most men. For some reason, wives can downplay the importance of sex as a expression of love. I can’t begin to tell you how often I have read statements demonstrating that wives don’t get what the deal is with their husbands and sex. “After all, it’s just sex, right?”

Let me ask you something, seriously, not Curmudgeonly. If you are a Christian, do you believe the Bible when it says that God created man and woman, male and female? If so, do you believe that you know better than God about how men work, how the male body and mind function? Do you believe that God needs to consult you about re-formatting men so that testosterone is deleted from their systems?

Another serious question – did God make a mistake in giving your husband his libido, his sex drive? If you are a Christian, and you are a wife, is it incumbent upon you to accept that, maybe, just maybe, there is nothing wrong with your husband’s desire to have sex with you, his wife? Or do you feel that your husband is your mission field, and that it is your life’s work to destroy that demon of lust in the less-Christian husband that God has made?

Here It Is, At Last! A Clue!

This clue is not found in the Bible, nor does it come from some great Christian writer. This quote is from a woman who is not a Christian, but gleaned her knowledge attained by careful observation. For those of you who think that there is something wrong with your husbands, please read this carefully, and think upon on the ramifications it has for your marriage:

Women will try to do a lot of other things to ADD UP TO what sex provides for a man. But she doesn’t know that all of these things will NEVER add up to what sex provides for a man. ~ Alison Armstrong

Is this you? You believe your husband knows he is loved because
• you have his children,
• you clean the house,
• you do the laundry,
• you do the cooking,
• you do the shopping,

But you DON’T do him. So he knows he’s loved…. how?

reworking of a graphic by The Forgiven Wife.

reworking of a graphic by The Forgiven Wife.

You are a marvelous wife. You’re a Prov. 31 wife. But are you telling your husband that you love him, or that you really don’t think much about him. Chris Taylor, over at Forgiven Wife, has assembled a collection of anti-testimonies by hurting husbands:

~ The woman I married is one of the finest women around. Anyone would be lucky to have her for a friend. But you would be as lonely as me if she were your lover.
~ What is so wrong with me that my wife, who married me, doesn’t want me?  How do I go out into my profession and interact with people I don’t know and expect them not to reject me?
~ Refusal tells me that not only am I unloved, but that I am worthless.
~ There’s nothing worse than lying in bed while your listening to your spouse sleep and breath while you’re awake and the mind is racing and you’re praying to God, “Please just end this already. I just can’t take it anymore!”

As I sit here writing this, an obscure quote just popped into my head. I am a chessplayer, a life member of the U. S. Chess Federation, and having played in both postal and over-the-board tourneys, I know chess and chessplayers. Reading the quotes on Forgiven Wife’s page reminded of something that Bobby Fischer, the greatest chess champion ever, once said. When asked what his favorite part of chess was, he responded,

“I like the moment when I break a man’s ego.” 

Can you read those anti-testimonies on that page and see that everyone of those writers has been Bobby Fischer-ed by his wife?

A Way Out? Up? Back? (Your choice)

As I said above, I’m going to assume that many wives are just clueless, and not ego-crushing Bobby Fischers in drag. If you find yourself realizing that your husband could have written one of those anti-testimonies, you might be asking yourself, “Can anything be done to fix this, to heal the wounds I’ve inflicted?” Thankfully, the answer is “Yes!”

Two years ago, a pastor’s wife wrote a message on a marriage forum telling how she realized that, for nearly 20 years, she had damaged her marriage and her husband through sexual throttling. She decided, on the spot, that she would turn it around, and began posting monthly updates in order to have a body of mentors who would keep her feet to the fire, so to speak. Her one-month post (just one month after her decision) was a list of changes that her marriage experienced due to her decision to not refuse sex with her husband. Wives, please read these three entries from that post (presented with her permission, btw):

7.  We are much more physical during the day with holding hands, hugs, kisses, back rubs, etc.  I no longer have to worry about that my “actions” will lead him to thinking about sex, it is already a given.
8.  There’s a lot less tension, arguing or snapping at each other.
13.  We have laughed together a lot more.  We’ve had several times where we both have had that belly achin’, cheek achin’ laugh.  That has been a rarity in our marriage.

So, it can be done. The testimony of many wives tells you that it can be done. So how? Move your eyes to the right of the screen, and find the section of my sidebar labelled “Christian Marriage and Sexuality”, and you will find links to several great blogs.

The Forgiven Wife ~ Chris Taylor’s blog has the tagline, “Learning To Dance With Desire“, and this is the quick “about” on her page: “The mission of The Forgiven Wife is to encourage Christian wives as they break away from sexual withholding and gate-keeping. After 20 years of restricting the sex life in my marriage, I have learned to dance with desire and enjoy the full intimacy that comes with passionate and joyful sex with my husband.”

Bonny’s Oysterbed ~ Bonny’s mission is “Encouraging the low-libido wife through a Christian lens”. Last year, Bonny wrote one post a week on helping wives to deal with low libido, and has now gathered those posts into a book, Unlock Your Libido.

Hot, Holy and Humorous ~ J. Parker deals with all things “christian marriage” and with a sense of humor that would get her thrown off of many a deacon board.

The XY Code ~ This is written by a man, who explains men to women. Trust me, ladies; your husbands are every bit as complex as you are. And should you think that this entire post is off the beam, that what I say doesn’t apply to your husband, I challenge you to read Paul Byerly’s  past posts to check up on me. See just how far off I am.

A Personal Word

Several years ago, after our “Come To Jesus” meeting, Wife read Dr. Laura’s Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands. She told me that even though we had been married 40 years, she hadn’t realized just how important, how necessary, sex is to husbands, as an expression of love. She told me that she had, like so many wives (maybe even you?), just viewed sex as something physical, often fun. But love? No way!

Wives, read. Just as I told husbands to read and learn to be lovers to their wives, I’m going to tell you to do the same thing. Read those anti-testimonies, and then look for resources to help you learn to be a lover to your husband.

CSL – (btw, if you feel the need to tell me just how badly I beat up on wives, don’t. Wife just read the post and said that I was a whole lot easier on the wives than I was on the husbands. I answer to a Higher Power, She Who Must Be Obeyed.)

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19 responses to “Hard Things to Hear #6: Lady, It’s Not About You!

  1. You shared a lot of truth. Thanks for holding the side of snark. 🙂

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  2. At the VERY end why do you say ‘SHE who must be obeyed’?

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    • My quirky sense of humor. That’s a line from the popular BBC series, “Rumpole of the Bailey”. Rumpole always referred to his wife as “She who must be obeyed.” In this instance, I was letting anyone who felt that I might have brought the snark that Wife loved the piece, so I would brook no dissent. 🙂

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  11. WK

    My wife just plain doesn’t do sex. My first clue was our wedding night in which there was no consummation. In her mind, sex is only for procreation, otherwise it is a nuisance duty. Fast forward and other husbands were getting vasectomies but not us, we just abstained! Have been sexless (<10 x/yr) for 45 years with no sex at all the past 15. Not my idea of a Christian marriage! No hope!

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  12. 45 years, huh? Wife and I just celebrated our 49th anniversary last month.

    I am sorry that you have had to endure an unChristian marriage. I read your comment to this post, and I don’t know that I have anything to offer you except my condolences. I’m assuming mid-60’s, and with 45 years of sexless marriage, I am also assuming that you have made your peace with it.

    Again, my simpathies, my brother.

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  13. “She isn’t ready to look at working on our sexual relationship…” So…., when does she think she WILL be ready to look at doing so? Next year? Five years from now? Twenty? Are you okay with an asexual marriage for a decade or two? Is your supposed counselor supportive of you having the status of a roommate?
    As to someone else introducing her to the resources, let me ask you this: does she have friends who think that sexless marriages are bad, and let her know that? Or does she have friends who tell her, “Hey, his nees don’t matter, you be you.”?

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    • 1-So has she made herself available, or has that been put on hold?

      2 – I don’t know of too many competent counselors who believe that masturbation is wrong if release is needed. The only caveat would be that mental effort be made not to use porn images as a stimulus. Sorry, but they need to back off that.

      3 – It’s good that the counselor doesn’t believe that you are to be sexless hereafter, and forever hold your peace. As to you wife, I seriously recommend that she reach out and connect with Chris Taylor at Honeycomb & Spice. She is a woman who has dealt with the emotional issues that your wife says that she is going through. Here is her url: https://honeycombspice.com/

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      • 1-Since you say that you have your own trust issues, let them be known. You have your counselling sessions, let the counselor and wife hear them. If they try to pooh-pooh them, insist that they are real and that you are wondering if this isn’t a case of moving the goalposts, of kicking the can down the road.

        2-Tell them tough, then. You control you, they don’t. If they get the vapors, then that is on them.

        3 – I would bring this up and make this an issue. She says shes working on it, but you have no proof, other than what she says. You need to know what the nature of the marriage is going to be going forward: are you going to be a husband, a permanent parolee?

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  14. Pa’dam

    I pray someone my wife listens to will someday show this to her or at least introduce her to the resources you reference. Right now, I am healing, she is healing, but our marriage relationship (think trust and respect) is still convalescing. She isn’t ready to look at working on our sexual relationship (her words, not mine) yet. She may never be able to accept an invitation to read something like this from me. So, I pray that one of her confidants shares this or some equivalent with her when she can receive it.

    Once again, I wish with all my heart and tears in my eyes that I had had this knowledge before we married or at least early on in our marriage. Even more, I wish she had this knowledge before we married or at least early on in our marriage.

    Once again, well done, sir, and thank you for sharing this with us.

    curmudgeonlylibrarian
    ‘“She isn’t ready to look at working on our sexual relationship…” So…., when does she think she WILL be ready to look at doing so? Next year? Five years from now? Twenty? Are you okay with an asexual marriage for a decade or two? Is your supposed counselor supportive of you having the status of a roommate?
    As to someone else introducing her to the resources, let me ask you this: does she have friends who think that sexless marriages are bad, and let her know that? Or does she have friends who tell her, “Hey, his nees don’t matter, you be you.”?’

    me
    September 22, 2022 at 9:17 am
    So, the hang up is the emotional trauma of the previous nearly 20 years of marriage before the Lord freed me from pornography addiction with the emotional disconnect throughout that time as well as the horrible choices I made a few years in when I felt like our marriage was dead and divorce was inevitable. I made some truly stupid choices for a while. The upshot of it is that having sex for the better part of two decades out of obligation to a man she felt didn’t love or value her, particularly during the time when I was involved in emotional affairs, has left her with complex PTSD. She still to this day feels fear that I might go back to that kind of life and instead of feeling loved when we have sex, she feels more trauma. So, she has to get to a state where her emotions are pretty positive towards me and our marriage relationship before she can have sex without feeling particularly traumatized.

    Since this is due to my own addiction and bad decisions, I don’t really know what to do with it.

    If I could go without sex indefinitely, I would do so for her sake. I hate to do anything that hurts her. The thing is, if the previous years have taught me anything, I can’t do that and retain my sanity. At some point, my body or my brain or something kicks caveman me into control and civilized, self controlled me struggles to keep from doing something stupid. Now God has freed me from my addiction, as I said. I can go longer without release now and keep from going back to that stuff well into the “Me need sex now!” stage. The problem is that as that takes more and more of my willpower to maintain and as I sleep less and less (not because I stay up later or get up earlier but because I apparently can’t shut down well when my body craves release that badly), I struggle to stay civil with anyone and everyone, to not get angry over trifling things, and to maintain a positive, loving view of my wife. I’ve done it and I do it but I can’t do it forever. She has recently seemed to realize that and even offered divorce. I could tell it left a bitter taste and she doesn’t want to go there, but she truly believes that she can’t give me what I need at this stage without causing further damage to our relationship. She doesn’t know when she would be able to or even if for certain.

    I think that a couple of her closer friends in whom she confides would believe that a sexless marriage is bad. I can’t be certain that they wouldn’t make an exception for a situation like this. I can say that it isn’t something that they would normally condone.

    Her counselor does not condone that, at least not long term. He might be ok with a 60-90 day fast, as some professionals recommend for a situation like this, to reset our sexual mindset. I know he was ok with a 30 day sexual fast while she dealt with the last big blow we worked through. He had picked up by then that I wasn’t likely to be able to do longer than that and told her that how long she needed only she could discern but if it went over 30 days, it was too long. That was case specific.

    However, at one point when she was saying she couldn’t do it frequently at this point, I brought up my belief on masturbating, namely that it has inherent risks and is not something to be done too often or carelessly but that God gave us that ability as a safety for situations just like this. Meaning, if the wife can’t/won’t have sex and the husband needs release. I told them that if the case were as bad as she said, I don’t want to cause her any pain I can avoid so maybe it would be better if I could masturbate when it became unbearable and thus allow her to abstain until she was ready. Now THAT he and she are very much against, as are most professional marriage counselors whose positions I’ve heard or read.

    So, he asked her, “Are you available to meet his needs?” She answered yes at the time. He then addressed me again and said that we therefore don’t need to bring up that horrible word again. He did make sure that she was going to be available, or so he thought. So I think he is against a sexless marriage.

    curmudgeonlylibrarian
    September 22, 2022 at 12:46 pm
    ‘1-So has she made herself available, or has that been put on hold?

    2 – I don’t know of too many competent counselors who believe that masturbation is wrong if release is needed. The only caveat would be that mental effort be made not to use porn images as a stimulus. Sorry, but they need to back off that.

    3 – It’s good that the counselor doesn’t believe that you are to be sexless hereafter, and forever hold your peace. As to you wife, I seriously recommend that she reach out and connect with Chris Taylor at Honeycomb & Spice. She is a woman who has dealt with the emotional issues that your wife says that she is going through. Here is her url: https://honeycombspice.com/

    me
    September 22, 2022 at 4:25 pm
    1. The answer is yes to both, oddly enough. She did make herself available, then withdrew, then available, then withdrew, until she recently asked for space again to come to me as she was emotionally able without being pressured. I suggested scheduling it, as she is usually very much about scheduling things ahead of time, but that would also make her feel pressured to provide sex at or by that time. She didn’t make me wait long the first time, a couple of days after the conversation, which happened to be the day before..er.. Aunt Flo came to stay a while. What happens from here may make or break our fragile healing. I have my own trust issues and many involve my wife and remembering my needs.

    2. I am in wholehearted agreement with you on that but we seem pretty much alone in that position, from my standpoint. You’re the first Bible believing person I’ve talked to who agreed with me.

    3. Once again, I wholeheartedly agree. I’ve gently nudged her that way without being too obvious about it. Unfortunately, she didn’t bite. I haven’t given up, though. There surely is some way to get her to talk to her or at least listen to her

    curmudgeonlylibrarian
    September 23, 2022 at 8:39 am
    ‘1-Since you say that you have your own trust issues, let them be known. You have your counselling sessions, let the counselor and wife hear them. If they try to pooh-pooh them, insist that they are real and that you are wondering if this isn’t a case of moving the goalposts, of kicking the can down the road.

    2-Tell them tough, then. You control you, they don’t. If they get the vapors, then that is on them.

    3 – I would bring this up and make this an issue. She says shes working on it, but you have no proof, other than what she says. You need to know what the nature of the marriage is going to be going forward: are you going to be a husband, a permanent parolee?’

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